10
Oct
07

Authentically Hip-Hop!

Authentically Hip-Hop

A few years back, acclaimed and renown author, John McWhorter, wrote a thoroughly engaging and controversial book entitled, “Authentically Black: Essays for the Black Silent Majority.” In the book he analyzed Dubois’ sentiments of the color-line being the major issue for black people in the 20th century as well as their internal war between being black and living in a land that hates them, and still trying to prevail.  He takes that famous theory and injects a new and somewhat unspoken theory that pervades the psyche of many black people.  McWhorter writes that there is a notion that being “Authentically Black” is when a black person continuously keeps the “man” on the hook for past injustices and does not let go of it.  By blaming the ills in the “black community” on what the white man did or has done, then you are authentic and understand the plight.  For black people, including McWhorter, who understand yet dispell that form of thinking, there is a certain marginalization that takes place and black people consider those types of individuals as proverbial “sell-outs.”

The topic “Authentically Hip-Hop” aims not to literakky take a slice out of the pie that McWhorter and Co. have since prepared.  However, I want us, as an online community, to take the essence of what McWhorter was trying to prove and mentally juxtapose that with what’s going on in Hip-Hop today-more specifically, around this supposed “Fiascogate.”  I came up with the idea of this topic after I checked out the comments section of an e-article on Vibe.com dicussing the current controversy of Mr. FNF up.  Someone named “Doug Fresh” posted: “Hip Hop is the only music art form where newer artists do not truly respect, pay homage, or in some cases even know the pioneers of the art. This is not only about “Midnight Maruaders”…do you think a rock -n-roll guitarist never heard Jimi Hendrick’s classic material..I doubt it.”

After I saw that, I immediately wanted to bring this back to HM and get an idea from the fam on what you all believe to be Authentically Hip-Hop in today’s times.  A lot of “right-wing” hip-hop’ers are saying that Lupe, as a notably skilled and talented emcee, should know and have studied an album such as “Midnight Maurauders” and most importantly, should not have fumbled at the VH1 Hip-Hop Honors Awards.  Some individuals have even stated that the character/idea “Lupe” is fallacious and is really not conscious at all.  To Lupe’s defense, however, and I want to preface my statement by saying that my subsequent comment is simply for the sake of discussion and not because i’m any kind of Lupe stan. I think the term “conscious” is something that the media bestowed on him. From Lupe’s comments, he never said he was a backpacker. Although Phonte did make an interesting point that he benefits off that label/title. Vis a vis, who Lupe is and what he stands for is, for the most part, is a representation of his music but also represents the titles and labels that the media,blogs, mainstream gave him.  So, is Lupe a product of media hope and expectation or is he simply just an a regular joe trying to get by like the next man?  I digress….

“Left-wing” hip-hop’ers are stating that Lupe is a hoax and going as far to say that his career is over.  What did someone say on HM? “his next album will go copper?” lol. Anyway, these type of individuals are saying that as an emcee whose music has roots and vestiges to that of ATCQ, he and anyone like him, needs to know and have listened to classic albums put out before and during their lifetime in order to be somewhat credible and/or “authentic.”  That Lupe denounces ATCQ further proves to left-wing hip-hop’ers that he is not only arrogant, but also blasphemous. From Lupe’s perspective, putting groups like ATCQ and their album on Hip Hops altar of “untouchable” is an example of “hip-hop vanity.” That he and others like him can’t drop albums and positive messages without knowing words to songs by ATCQ or other legendary groups is dead wrong and considers those naysayers as “dirty bastards.”

So I want to bring this to the table. Are rappers who don’t know or study groups like Melle Mel and the Furious Five or ATCQ or Cold Crush Brothers or De La Soul, et. al, not authentically Hip-Hop? If not, then why? Taking it back to what “Doug Fresh” wrote, is Hip-Hop the only genre of music where the newer artists don’t really have a deep-rooted respect for the cats that came before them? If so, what caused this? Is this the fault of the industry and its attempts to market “looks” and “disposable music” rather than content?  Is Lupe a victim of the waves of the music industry? Is he an innocent artist just trying to get by and do what’s right? or Is he an over-hyped and arrogant rapper whose time is up?

Let’s converse, shall we!

~Thesis


11 Responses to “Authentically Hip-Hop!”


  1. 1 stallion October 10, 2007 at 8:16 am

    We can’t listen or watch everything that is considered a classic or a legen. I’ve seen all the Rocky movies and Star Wars movie but never the Godfather or Scarface movie but I do recognize and accept those movies as classic. I listen to RUN DMC, KRS ONE, and Jay Z but never got the chance or time to check out a Kool Herc or Fantastic Five albums. I’m sure if I tell someone I’m a big fan of hip hop but never heard a Kool Herc album they will say I know nothing about it or how can you be a fan of hip hop and not own a Kool Herc album.

    I don’t think its possible to listen or study every single legends out there. Sure we can study the obviously one like Michael Jackson, The Beatles, The Rollingstones, Elvis, Johhny Cash, RUN DMC, 2pac, Jay Z, Biggie, Bob Marley, Madonna and etc but not every artists who are considered legends.

  2. 2 thehaytidream October 10, 2007 at 8:22 am

    I feel you on this post… I hate it when people try to compare say a rock artist with a hip hop artist. Saying that rockers know their roots is essentially equating rock with white and as always, “white is right”. I do think it was tremendously disrespectful on Lupe’s part to not only flub the lyrics but to try and defend himself while slamming the historical importance of an album like Midnight Maurauders. Lupe fucked up, but he should have left it at that and kept it moving…

    Having established this, I think hip-hop borrows from it’s past more than any other modern genre of music with the main evidence being in the sampling by producers and flows borrowed by current rappers. Nothing in hip-hop today is truly original because it is always borrowing from a previous idea and making it especially unique for today’s hip-hop fans. Kanye loves to use soul tracks as the base of his best productions and it’s almost a game for him to find the next unique sample that when a listener hears his track has no idea that it’s actually a sample.

    Doug Fresh is completely in the wrong here.

  3. 3 Reecie October 10, 2007 at 8:50 am

    I don’t think any one person has the authority to say what is authentically Hip Hop just like nobody has the right to say what is authentically Black. To me Hip Hop is one of those things that when you hear it, you just know what it is. There are so many things that fall under the umbrella and try and say this isn’t real or that isn’t real is futile, because it represents someone somewhere.

  4. 4 The Vanguard October 10, 2007 at 8:52 am

    LUPE CARE ABOUT THE HOOD…AND HE’S TRYING TO REACH THEM, WITHOUT CATERING TO THEM DIRECTLY TO THE MUSIC. I REPEAT, HE IS FULLY AWARE OF WHAT HE’S DOING!!!!! LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC CLOSELY, AND THINK ABOUT WHO TRIBE’S CORE AUDIENCE/BACKPACKER RAP FANS ARE. I’M FROM THE WEST COAST ADMITTEDLY, BUT I WASN’T BROUGHT UP ON TRIBE EITHER….HE’S ALIENATING HIS CURRENT AUDIENCE IN HOPES OF GETTING THE ATTENTION OF those he truly hopes to inspire. The backpacker audience for lack of a better term is self righteous and already seeking growth and “saved”. He is rejecting them, to reach the spice 1/eightball fans, who may have had narrower influences, and be caught up in “THE COOL” or the demeaning set of circumstances that negatively influence black people….(Come on everybody let’s make cocaine cool…Hustler for death, no heaven for a gangsta) P.s. how many “heaven for a G” songs are there? And how much liquor is poured out for dudes who never got their lives right. Lupe’s trying to create change in his former environment. FU*K WHITE COLLEGE KIDS/HIP HOP SNOBS. There is an audience who NEEDS him, not the audience that heard midnight marauders, they’re fine without him.

  5. 5 godisanegro October 10, 2007 at 9:02 am

    On Doug Fresh’s point, I don’t think it’s a question of hip-hop music not paying homage to its pioneers, but pop music in general. The lack of esteem for history is a consequence of hip-hop going “pop”.

    This is extremely ironic and troubling because hip hop is built on having great familiarity with previous eras. The aesthetics of sampling speaks to this, but in the pop music realm, most fans/executives/artists could care less that T.I.’s “What You Know” samples Roberta Flack’s “Gone Away” just at long as it sounds “good.” Hip-Hop “heads” care because we appreciate the art.

    As many over at OKP tried to express, the problem with Lupe is not that he didn’t grow up on Tribe. It’s that (as an artist) he resists opening himself to the forebears of the aesthetic he chooses to embrace. It’s as if he wants to believe that he made it up all by himself and is therefore “special,” when in fact he’s standing on the shoulders of ancestors that paved the way, whether he wants to believe it or not.

    To use a (loose) sports analogy, Chris Paul says that his favorite ball players growing up were Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan. But if some cats (let’s say Kobe, Jason Kidd, & Kevin Garnett) say, man you really need to check out some film of Isiah Thomas, and he replies, “Naw, I’m rollin’ with Magic and Michael,” that would come off a bit pretentious and uninformed.

    Being a pro athlete is all about studying tape. If you don’t want to study some of the greats on the recommendation of some of the best who are doing it now, then you’re not trying to be great. You may have potential, but your myopic view of your own talent is holding you back.

    The same goes for Lupe. When Questlove, Common, Fab 5 Freddy, and Q-tip himself make a recommendation and you pass, that’s disrespect and indicates that hip-hop is not serious for you. No one is saying disown or disregard Spice 1 and Eightball and MJG, but when a potential top flight lyricist doesn’t care enough about his craft to do the math, that may be “cool” to him and may be “pop,” but that definitely ain’t hip-hop.

  6. 6 tune October 10, 2007 at 10:49 am

    you dont have to study past arts to make new art…it can help you, and most people like to, but you cant study them all, nor have to in order to create….you can study and improve your own craft

    and people keep saying he “shouldn’t” have messed up on the lyrics, im sure it wasnt on purpose, people be killin me… if he doesnt know them well and even if he does, mistakes still occur

    lupe never claimed to be a hip hop historian nor any of the labels, making kick push makes him a skateboarder? he even says he cant even do tricks he just likes them and it was just tellin a story about skateboarders

    i personally feel everyone wants to put everyone in a box…

  7. 7 Hipandpop.com October 10, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    this is fantastic , i like , but i need more of the videos and snaps in the content

  8. 8 senoje October 10, 2007 at 9:01 pm

    First and foremost… “Is he an over-hyped and arrogant rapper whose time is up?” <– That just pisses me off. Just a minute ago everyone claimed he was a “breathe of fresh air,” now all of a sudden he fucks up once, and its time to can him. Vanguard has some valid points. I claim myself to be a hip-hop head… seeing how I spend a good amount of time frequenting blogs. I am 21 years of age… the oldest hip-hop i’ve heard is around the time of Pharacyde, Tribe and De la. While i’ve read about Doug E, Mel E Mel etc. I never felt I needed to listen to them to get a “hip-hop educatoin.” I know the names, not the music nor do I want to listen… i’ve heard snippets and i’ve been to Mels website and he just does not appeal to me. If anything I feel he is outdated… I am all about honoring the folks that brought what we call hip-hop to be, and I definatly agree Lupe messed up. But to question this man to the extent we have, and claim his album is going to go copper. Get the fuck outta here! Why are we riding this man so hard… I am glad he is getting the free press, but if your going to try to end someones career over the shit do hip-hop a favor and go grab Hurricane Chris. Also, Phonte had his points I give him that but Lupe has had far more success than Lil Brother has had, and if anything Phonte is capitlizing off of Lupe. STOP IT! Drink some prune, and let the shit go…

  9. 9 reen October 10, 2007 at 10:32 pm

    I don’t want to go on a diatribe, but basically I think you need to recognize those who paved the way for you to do what you’re doing. I know its a reallllll stretch(even though hip-hop is that serious to some folks), but it’s like saying we don’t need to know about Fredrick Douglas and Martin Luther King. That’s nonsense. In regards to hip-hop, maybe you don’t need to know every facet of the person’s career, but you need to recognize their accomplishments in breaking ground.

    I think when Lupe started talking all that riff raff, that’s where he got into trouble. If he had just said I apologize for the mistake, lets not take away from the honor ATCQ received, this whole thing would have been a non issue. Now he’s trying to bring in all these people he says are better than ATCQ. So what MC Hammer sold 10 million? That make him better? So are you saying that you suck cause you didn’t sell that many albums yourself? Saying this stuff right after ATCQ was just bestowed with an honor was just disrespectful. Just stop digging the hole for yourself.

  10. 10 senoje-2 October 11, 2007 at 2:05 pm

    Please excuse the language I used in the previous post. It was unnecessary and did nothing to enhance my argument (point of view).
    -senoje-

  11. 11 senoje October 13, 2007 at 12:09 am

    “Also, Phonte had his points I give him that but Lupe has had far more success than Lil Brother has had, and if anything Phonte is capitlizing off of Lupe. ”

    I THINK I WIN.
    http://nahright.com/news/2007/10/12/phonte-leaks-his-own-album/#comments

    Thank you L&G’s I will now take my bow.


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